A Guide to Mortal Online History (Updated)

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ThaBadMan

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20ish being on the low end, more like 17-18. Not to mention that was very rare occasion. And we both know there was more than 5 ex-fear as well during that period.
Being incapable to defend your own very little land is the sign of weakness. All of the big hitters I've mentioned did it, in EC we didn't because we simply couldn't.

A video of a single fight is one thing. Being able to get 15-20 people at any point of the day within 10 minutes except ausie time zone is another thing. And that's how you hold your land, by bloodying the nose of anyone who gets into it rather than jumping roofs or usually simply logging out if it's not that "golden" 2-3 hours of the day.
You also have to consider what type of a guild the guilds are aswell and what they accomplished being that type of guild. I wouldnt be as narrow minded as to make 3 categories of all the different guilds in MO. But essentially you have political or not political to consider, under those 2 are also many more.

You have several non political PvP guilds for example that have made sure history got written how it did. The 2 biggest imo was Envy for their mercenary PvP prowess during wars and Myrms revenge during the great northern war.
Prae is another that shifted the entire political scene and went from a pure PvP guild to being the leadership of the Defiance Alliance.
I have seen more but on a smaller level in regional conflicts.

Being a TC guild doesnt mean you more "heavyweight" than those who dont partake or means that your more powerful, it just means you are allowed to do things because the non political guilds dont really give a shit until you piss them off then you die even if you own territory or not, and this has been seen numerous times in MOs history.

So much for "heavyweight" if you lose everything you built to "lightweights" cause you stepped on their toes the wrong way or one too many times.
 

Aphilas

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Being a TC guild doesnt mean you more "heavyweight" than those who dont partake or means that your more powerful, it just means you are allowed to do things because the non political guilds dont really give a shit until you piss them off then you die even if you own territory or not, and this has been seen numerous times in MOs history.
Remind me these numerous times. Since I can give you dirrectly opposite, for example Myrm+BRB+Harl+AQ trying to go at TOP a few times. But failed.

If you have IX in mind, they never were heavy weights, just tried to pretend to be.

Remind me what happened when Myrm was in GK and people decided to move in? Do you think it would have been any different in 2011 if AQ or FEAR decided to move into Kranesh?

Do I have to remind you that AQ and FEAR did far more roaming and PvPing than anyone else on the server _while_ being involved in TC and politics? I really don't see how you think being able to do some roaming for 3-4 hours a day is comparable to being able to do it 20 hours a day while being involved in many other activities.
 
Remind me these numerous times. Since I can give you dirrectly opposite, for example Myrm+BRB+Harl+AQ trying to go at TOP a few times. But failed.

If you have IX in mind, they never were heavy weights, just tried to pretend to be.

Remind me what happened when Myrm was in GK and people decided to move in? Do you think it would have been any different in 2011 if AQ or FEAR decided to move into Kranesh?

Do I have to remind you that AQ and FEAR did far more roaming and PvPing than anyone else on the server _while_ being involved in TC and politics? I really don't see how you think being able to do some roaming for 3-4 hours a day is comparable to being able to do it 20 hours a day while being involved in many other activities.
IX were heavyweights for their time. Its unfair to compare across gaps in the game as things were very different.
 

Aphilas

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IX were heavyweights for their time. Its unfair to compare across gaps in the game as things were very different.
Hmm, for their time, yes. If you'd compare skill then I would also agree that things were very different in different periods and is unjust to compare. However if you compare mentality, determination and organization, I don't see game mechanics influencing any of those therefor I do not see a problem comparing groups according to that. And those were always among the most important things defining great heavy weights and wooden legs ones like IX, at least in my opinion.
 

ThaBadMan

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Remind me these numerous times. Since I can give you dirrectly opposite, for example Myrm+BRB+Harl+AQ trying to go at TOP a few times. But failed.

If you have IX in mind, they never were heavy weights, just tried to pretend to be.

Remind me what happened when Myrm was in GK and people decided to move in? Do you think it would have been any different in 2011 if AQ or FEAR decided to move into Kranesh?

Do I have to remind you that AQ and FEAR did far more roaming and PvPing than anyone else on the server _while_ being involved in TC and politics? I really don't see how you think being able to do some roaming for 3-4 hours a day is comparable to being able to do it 20 hours a day while being involved in many other activities.
Heh you are talking about an Alliance of 4 guilds with over 50 active members vs Myrm with below 15. Pluss in the end of that week Los Bandidos where cast out of GK so dunno why you really brought that up. Right after Myrm relocated to Myrmopolis until its destruction by how many guilds ? And it still took them an entire night vs 6 Myrms.

Thats the thing a strong TC guild ofc can take over things from PvP guilds, but theres no way in hell they can hold it for any significant amount of time.

Look at AQ when they where at its largest TC wise, it didnt take all that long until they had nothing left. Anyone can take large amounts of the map, even Guts took almost as much as AQ did but neither of them could hold their territory for too long. Thats what happens when greed and ego takes over imo you climax then crumble.

As for times, Myrm where used as a vanguard in the Great Northern war and ensured our side won the battles we participated in, we also held the gates at various sieges against enemies and ensured the sieges didnt fail. Envy was used IMMENSELY during the Mercenary era as a buffer to ensure victories in important battles and sieges.

Cant say too much about Amon as I dont know all that much about them, but they where created for the sole purpose of being AIs elite PvP guild if I remember right.

Myrm, BrB, Harl and AQ thing where not organised enough to do sieges imo, but we did smash your alliance silly and breach your keep a few times. But then again when we attacked we where usually met by 2 sometimes 3 alliances so meh.
Thats the only reason individual guilds in TC doesnt get smashed to pieces by PvP guilds, they always have defence pacts with whole alliances. So them by themselves are not powerful, but their MDAs are what holds their territory intact.
 

audric

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I don't really see how anyone could say ENVY wasn't an important guild in the time period. I also don't see how anyone could say EC wasn't a powerful guild when we were warring with IX, considering we were the only guild to go toe to toe with them once we formed a good core of players.
 

Cyde

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IX weren't heavyweights but the bats that carried them were :p
 

Shinzon

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My best experience with WSX was back in CC TOP days. They came with something around 20 people semi-RPing "we heard there's quite some PKing being done here, so we came to police it". 5 minutes later they were surrounded by 30+ people half of whom were reds and peacefully escorted the fuck out of CC. During escort process (10-15 mins) OUTs members begging on TS to permit the slaughter.

Much white knights, no idea wtf they doing. Was good content though.

I think I remember that incident, and laughing hysterically.
 

Aphilas

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I don't really see how anyone could say ENVY wasn't an important guild in the time period. I also don't see how anyone could say EC wasn't a powerful guild when we were warring with IX, considering we were the only guild to go toe to toe with them once we formed a good core of players.
Don't think anyone said that. I simply pointed out that those guilds should be categorized differently and shouldn't be compared to the likes of Prom, TOP, AQ etc.

EDIT: ahh, I actually said that about ENVY. And on that I was possibly wrong or at least shouldn't have talked about them as I didn't really play actively during ENVYs prime period.
 

Finnley

Senior Member
I don't really see how anyone could say ENVY wasn't an important guild in the time period. I also don't see how anyone could say EC wasn't a powerful guild when we were warring with IX, considering we were the only guild to go toe to toe with them once we formed a good core of players.
the "only"
 
Hey, add this to the Shifting Sands period, ploxorz hoofy
(I still think it's one of the coolest videos ever)
Also, I think Thebe (TheWiseDwarf on YouTube) could be considered a famous player (Even as newbish as he was) simply because of the large impact his videos had on recruiting new players to MO. I found out it went "f2p" from him (I had known about MO since 2009), and many of the other new players of the era were just finding out about the game through him.
He was honestly one of the best influences on newer players, allowing us to see what the game could be from the eyes of a unexperienced player with no fear.... Something that did not normally exist.
This video scarred me forever, and was EPIC to watch as a newbie in gardens.... No, it's not an elite PvP montage, or a siege to remember for the ages. It's a bunch of newbies having a good time, exploring, and getting rekt.... Isn't that what MO is all about in the end?
(Idk what era he'd be in if you would add him, he was late Awakening throughout The Cuppening for the majority of time)
 

Finnley

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If i recall correctly VNG or whatever guild you were in was a complete nonfactor guild back when IX was a thing so everything he said was correct.
Thats just an extremely ignorant thing to say and actually i was in Quad during the fall of IX.

Sure IX had a few really good players but they also had some really bad ones.
As i remember it, EC was not even around until almost the end of IX reign and there have been many more than one guild that did beat IX on even grounds.

Quad and VnG had strong but small groups, we used to battle each other in Kran. You prolly did not even play at the time.

FL had a powerful russian group too, Pockomock the one and only and later then Signifer the 1h halbert swinging marathon runner. Saying these people where complete nonfaktors is not only ignorrant its also completely wrong.
 
Thats just an extremely ignorant thing to say.

Sure IX had a few really good players but they also had some really bad ones.
As i remember it, EC was not even around until almost the end of IX reign and there have been many more than one guild that did beat IX on even grounds.

Quad and VnG had strong but small groups, we used to battle each other in Kran. You prolly did not even play at the time.

FL had a powerful russian group too, Pockomock the one and only and later then Signifer the 1h halbert swinging marathon runner. Saying these people where complete nonfaktors is not only ignorrant its also completely wrong.

Did you really just list pockocmoc and dek? Lol REALLY, its an absolute huge black stain on SV's blanket the fact those kids can still play the game. And as far as i recall no one tried stopping IX's expansion other than EC? Just towards the end when IX was already morally broken down.
 

Finnley

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Did you really just list pockocmoc and dek? Lol REALLY, its an absolute huge black stain on SV's blanket the fact those kids can still play the game.
Yes i did because its retarted to say that they where nonfactors and could not beat IX.
Most of the time they could beat anything.
VNG had a wartag with them for about a year with constant fighting, you dont need to tell me how annoying it was that they did not play fair and even more that they are still ingame.
Signifer even recently came back and now plays with Ursa riders aka Doom.

Anyway many others where able to fight IX and nobody had the numbers to win an asset war against IX on their own.
 

Cyde

Honored Member
I remember when Dek was allegedly playing on Weedy's account when we met him and his RUS group at the top of mage field hill. He killed our first guy, then me a few seconds later, then chased Gigamo down the entire hill while swinging non stop before killing him at the bottom, before turning to engage our last guy at the bottom straight away, all while being spam healed by Schizo. Then later Weedy came to IRC asking why his account was banned. RIP. Then one of the retards in RUS made a video to "prove" his innocence that was so laughably bad I can only imagine they made it to mock us.

IDK why you'd list hackers as factors but there you go.
 

ThaBadMan

Exalted Member
Lol REALLY, its an absolute huge black stain on SV's blanket the fact those kids can still play the game.
That can be said about so many players thats still in this community its not even funny...
 
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